With Robin Keehn, the Founder of Quitting Culture, offers strategic accountability, masterminds to get it done, laser coaching and courses to help people live intentional, successful and happy lives, and creator of Quit-Proof Kids. Robin was a former music & dance studio owner and music teacher for nearly 30 years. She is also a speaker, business coach, author, mastermind facilitator and podcast host. Her own recent and ongoing ‘Purge For Peace’ has given her an incredible amount of freedom from overwhelm, anxiety, and FOMO. Given her experience, she became an expert in the areas of accountability, goal achievement, and vibrant communities. Robin helps women and men, especially parents, get clear on their purpose, identify, and quit all the things that get in the way of achieving it.

Join us for our conversation as Robin shares when is it okay to quit, the impact of never quitting, and how it applies to parenting that leads to raising quit-proof kids. You will also hear Robin talk about the importance of communication and having 100% commitment to achieve the work that matters to you.

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Biggest takeaways (or quotes) you don’t want to miss:

• “We (women) are not told how to quit until we start breaking.”
• Parents with certain personalities get certain outcomes with their kids.
• Listen to Robin’s take on parents who let their child quit repeatedly.
• What is a premature quit?
• “When you don’t have clear boundaries, people will just keep pushing.”

“We are not 100% committed because we’re not 100% sure of ourselves.”

-Robin Keehn

Check out these highlights:

• 06:52 Three options that Robin believes you have when you committed to something.
• 14:40 Reason why 100% commitment is much easier than having 99%.
• 19:43 Why is it important for parents to understand what was getting set up?
• 27:14 What you, as parents, can say to your child when they want to quit.
• 42:51 Listen to Robin share how can you quit things accountably with people.
• 01:06:00 Robin’s final advice for the listeners.

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Learn more about Robin by visiting her websites at http://quittingculture.com/ and http://quitproofkids.com/

Special offer for listeners: Grab The CLEPTO Code Course™ – 6 Steps to Stop Stealing from Yourself here. Also, you may join her newly launched community at https://ourtableofjoy.com/

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GGGB Intro  00:00

Here’s what to expect today…

Robin Keehn  00:02

And so their parents thought they were doing a great thing by letting them try a bunch of stuff. But what I really believe is that a parent needs to decide what’s the outcome? Is it a duration? Or is it an achievement of skill, whatever, okay, we’re gonna stay long enough for them to have an outcome so that I can say, Wow, you worked really hard for that well done. That’s what you say, you’re not like, you’re so talented. You say you worked hard. I appreciate your effort. And then that child begins to tell the story of, wow, when I work hard, I’m good at things like I actually did that I learned how to do a cartwheel, I, you know, can play 30 songs, I can, whatever. So that’s kind of where this whole thing started to take shape for me, because I recognize patterns in parenting, like certain parents have with certain personalities, and get certain outcomes with their kids. Because I recognize that without information, we think quitting is good and bad, but we just think it’s okay to let our kids quit. And we’ve given up on ourselves so many times so if that’s our background, then we’re just like, Oh, I totally get why my kid wants to quit. I wanted to quit too.

GGGB Intro  01:15

The adventure of entrepreneurship and building a life and business you love, preferably at the same time is not for the faint of heart. That’s why Heather Pearce Campbell is bringing you a dose of guts, grit and great business stories that will inspire and motivate you to create what you want in your business and life. Welcome to the Guts, Grit and Great Business™ podcast where endurance is required. Now, here’s your host, The Legal Website Warrior®, Heather Pearce Campbell.

Heather Pearce Campbell  01:48

Alrighty, welcome. I am Heather Pearce Campbell, The Legal Website Warrior®. Welcome to another episode of Guts, Grit and Great Business™. I am super excited to introduce my friend and a brilliant woman. I can’t wait for you to hear her story. Robin Quinn Keehn. Welcome, Robin.

Robin Keehn  02:09

Thanks, Heather. I’m happy to be here.

Heather Pearce Campbell  02:11

So happy to have you. So Robin and I first overlapped, I want to say 2018 or 19. It was one of the early JVologies. Right. But it wasn’t, I think it wasn’t until 29, like late 2019 That you and I sat side by side at that table at the mastermind event. And I got to know resume. Yeah, a bit more. And just was such a fan. I loved learning a bit more about your story. I think it was in that conversation that you said to me, I need to trademark quitting culture. And I learned about like how often you have these brainstorms where it’s like, bam, this concept just comes to you and you go like get the domain, you know, yeah. It’s so funny. So that was a great event. And since that time, I mean, we’ve been in touch and I’ve watched your work evolve a little bit, but I’m super excited, especially knowing the evolution that you’ve taken recently. I’m really excited to have you here. I think this conversation is going to be super relevant for our listeners and very powerful. So for folks that don’t know Robin Keehn, Robin is a former music and dance studio owner, author and speaker having taught music for nearly 30 years. She’s an expert in the areas of accountability, goal achievement and vibrant communities. A reformed overdue were, Robin focuses on helping people identify and release outdated and unwanted commitments, promises and agreements. Her own recent and ongoing purge for peace has given her an incredible amount of freedom from overwhelm, anxiety and FOMO. Right, the fear of missing out. Robin works with people in her mastermind strategic accountability, coaching and in her new community, our table of joy. Welcome, Robin. What a great intro.

Robin Keehn  04:12

Thank you, Heather. Yeah, well, it keeps evolving, right? Yeah, like I said last year, probably. So what I say this year, there’s some themes, but definitely always evolving. Hmm,

Heather Pearce Campbell  04:24

Yeah, there are some themes. And I do remember that when we connected you talked regularly about the topic of or the concept of quitting culture, right? And how we often get that wrong. Do you want to start there? I would love to know because, right. I think so many of us are like, yeah, never quit, never give up. Right? We’re ingrained, like as children, that it’s a bad thing to quit. And I think if my recollection lexan is correct that your whole quitting culture, concept and team is really about Figuring out and embracing what it is that we need to quit.

Robin Keehn  05:03

Absolutely, yeah. And you’re right, I grew up. And Vince Lombardi was a coach, and I remember his words, which was, winners never quit, and quitters never win. That was something my parents taught me and I heard as a child, and I definitely grew up believing I had to finish everything I ever started. And my parents really helped me with that. And I, I appreciate that, because it certainly set me up for a lot of quote, unquote, success, right? Like, I remember, you know, I had a kind of little babysitting empire where we lived, I was kind of the Queen of the empire. And I had babysitting jobs all the time. But you know, when I was like, 15, or 16, I really didn’t want to have to babysit but people expected me to. And I remember saying yes to Mrs. Duggar that I would babysit and then I got invited out on a date. And I remember saying to my mom and dad, oh, I really liked this boy, I really want to go out on a date. And they’re like, too bad. So sad. You made a commitment. You got to do it. It’s funny how I remember that one. But I think I must have really liked the boy who asked me out. And it was hard to, you know, hard to accept, I had to keep my commandments, but they really ingrained that in me. But I didn’t know this for a long time. I thought it was really good. Like, just finish what you start, you know, say yes to everything, though. That was another thing I kind of grew up with, like, if somebody invites you, or asks you to do something, the nice thing to do is say yes, please, and thank you, and then just do it, right. But it became obvious at some point to me that I had committed to a whole bunch of stuff. And there were two options really well, maybe there were three. One was to do the thing I committed to because that would be the right thing to do. Right. But then another thing would be like to put it off. Or the other thing would be just to slip away. And the idea of quitting just wasn’t acceptable wasn’t a possibility. So I began to notice that I had committed to a lot and I needed to figure that out. And having four children that’s committing to a lot. I couldn’t do anything about that commitment.

Heather Pearce Campbell  07:23

Right. That’s the biggest kind of commitment that yeah, it’s none of us really know what we’re in for on that one. But no, no, that is a full on commitment. There’s, I mean, there’s so much in there, what you talk about, like what the Yes, culture, I think, especially for females. So interesting, because my sister right now is being pressured by her work. She was hired as a sales associate, right, which is phenomenal at sales. And she’s really phenomenal at other things, too. And so what she has found is that she often gets asked to do all this extra above and beyond her normal job, because she has these other skills. The expectation, let’s be clear, this is a company led by men, right? So leadership is all men. And the kick ass sales associates are all women. Mm hmm. Interesting. Yeah. But she did a presentation just because she was asked to and she’s really good at it to her local team about social media, right? You’ve got a bunch of people in the aesthetic space space, they should be on social media. But like so many of us in business, they’re technicians at what they do, are not necessarily masters at business or masters at social media, right. So she did this training. And it was phenomenal. And then the company came to her and she consulted on the site. She does this, oh, aimed at her and said, we’d like you to come lead a national training and teach the whole team and, you know, nationwide, blah, blah, blah. Of course, they’re not going to pay her extra or change her job title or do any of this other stuff. Right. So she’s had to create some clear boundaries around. No, that was never the expectation. That’s not my job. Here’s how we can accomplish that if you want to work together and create a win-win. But the reason that example came to mind is because all of these men are just telling her basically, she needs to be a yes person. Oh, if you’re a team player, you’re just gonna do this. If you’re like, just hand over your IP and all these slides and your systems and strategies that you developed. Like, if you’re a team player, you would just do this and it’s the yes, people that really win. This is the messaging that she’s getting right from leadership and it’s absolutely not true for women.

Robin Keehn  09:45

But I think we’ve accepted it as true. We are like we always have to be agreeable. We have to help as much as we can. If you’re a good person, then you will say yes, you will help, you will rescue, you will overdue and you know, Heather, I have a group on Facebook called overdue are synonymous and it’s 90% women, right? 

Heather Pearce Campbell  10:08

Maybe that’s the one that you came up with when I was sitting at your table? Yeah. It’s so good. It’s good. Overdue as anonymous.

Robin Keehn  10:18

So many people relate to those men not as much. I think men have a different concept of themselves and a different relationship with themselves. Women tend to want to make everybody happy. It’s just in our nature to be more nurturing, agreeable, flexible, and we’re designing…

Heather Pearce Campbell  10:36

Yes.

Robin Keehn  10:36

We’re really designed that way. But at some point, we have to learn how to release things. And I think we never learned that nobody ever teaches us how to quit. We are not told how to quit.

Heather Pearce Campbell  10:50

Until we start breaking. Right? 

Robin Keehn  10:53

Right.

Heather Pearce Campbell  10:53

My sister having been through this pattern before her last company, learned through painful experiences, like these are my limits, I can’t give and give and give and do all this extra outside of this full time job I already have, and be a mom and have kids and not have it eat up all this extra time. But she has to spell it out. Right? This takes hours and hours of my time to put these presentations together and prepare for this. And like that’s not what I was hired to do. It’s just fascinating. Because I saw her yesterday I was at her house. And over the course even of a couple of days, the nature of the emails coming in all from Malay leadership,  heavily relying on this Yes culture from women.

Robin Keehn  11:38

Very interesting. And that’s a lot of pressure. And then trying to set boundaries where we haven’t had them before. It can be very upsetting to the people on the receiving end of new boundaries. Having boundaries like I don’t, I’m not sure, because I don’t know. But I think it’s harder when you’re younger, to set boundaries. I think some of this comes with experience, like you just said, difficult experiences or experiences where you’re like, wow, that’s not what I intended. But look what I’ve set up and now how do I get myself out of it. But if we can learn some of this earlier, it doesn’t matter when we learn it. But yes, it requires, you know, the potential of creating some upset when we create new boundaries when we establish the boundaries. But if you look at that, there’s a cost to somebody. Right? There’s a cost to you, if you don’t have the boundaries, there’s a cost to the other person on the other end, because now you’ve got boundaries. And now they have to figure out another strategy, right? They needed to then team her, her guys that she works for and they will need to go find somebody else. Or they’ll need to come up with a different proposal that actually appreciates and acknowledges her boundaries in order to enroll her in doing this thing. But just keep pushing her boundaries, probably if it were me, I’d be getting more like riled up about it and more and more sure that I wasn’t going to do the thing to have him pushed like that. Right? 

Heather Pearce Campbell  13:17

Well, that’s exactly it. It’s, you know, it’s one thing to be asked to do it and to be respected from the start. It’s another thing to just have it be insinuated, like, Oh, of course, you’re going to send your presentation over in your slides. And of course, we’re going to do it without even having the conversation about can we do this? Are you on board? Will you support this? We know, whatever. Right. So it is, you know, that whole boundaries, discussion is just such a big topic, and fascinating. And everybody faces it at some point. Everybody.

Robin Keehn  13:50

We do and it can be from a work situation, it can also be with a neighborhood community, or it could be from your kids school, or it could be from your parents or family members. You know, I think something I have thought about a lot and I learned it somewhere. But basically you teach people how to treat you, right? That’s right. So I think about that I work with music studio owners, quite a few of them. And we talk about that all the time. Like, how can you set up a studio that you absolutely love? Well, you make it what you love, and then you let people know, this is how it works here, right? There’s no give that you know, and I always say 100% committed is much easier than 99%. Right? If I’m 100% sure that I’m not going to do that thing. You’re not going to be able to convince me if I am a little bit on the fence about like, well, you know, maybe, maybe we I don’t really want to but you can be pushed, right? It’s the same thing with children. If they know that there’s a chink in your armor, man, they’re gonna find it and they’re gonna put that little finger in there wiggle it too. to human nature, we look for places in which we can, you know, manipulate or negotiate where there’s an opportunity. That’s right. Yeah. Right. And that’s why boundaries are difficult. Because many times I think we’re not 100% committed because we’re not 100% sure of ourselves.

Heather Pearce Campbell  15:22

That’s so good. And wellness is true. And it’s so interesting because I spend a huge amount of time talking with my clients about business boundaries, right, about the importance of business policies, which signal those boundaries about how the enrollment conversation or the legal documents supporting that client service is another reinforcement of that boundary another chance to educate that client, right, but it really is the same conversation. It’s about boundaries. And you have to communicate those for people to understand them for them to be clear. I am curious where for you in your life, and where you did like it. I’d love to hear the backstory even around the phrase quitting culture. Where did that come from? For you? Where did that story originate for you in your life, that that became a theme, a passion and area of expertise.

Robin Keehn  16:17

It’s very interesting how these things kind of evolve, right? Heather? Like, it’s almost even hard for you, to me, to tell you that story. Because it’s kind of like a spiral. I don’t know. It’s like a bunch of things, right? It’s not like a straight line for me at all. So I had this experience I told you about as a child, like whatever you’re committed to you finish you never walk away from something you said you’re gonna do. You don’t leave it, you just stick with it. So I had that running for sure. Like piano, I started playing the piano when I was three and a half. took less Wow, yeah, took violin lessons is where my parents had me start till I was 10. And then I switched back over to formal lessons with piano, I did that all the way through college. Just because I told my parents I wanted to, and they were like, well, you can’t quit now you got to see it through. So there’s very much ingrained in me this whole thing. So fast forward to me, having kids of my own, and then opening up my music and dance studio. That was after the first baby, maybe the second baby was born with four. It’s hard to remember, right? And what I noticed, you know, having worked with parents for more than 25 years, and families was that this thing was happening with children. This is kind of where it all really started for me. And I would so I have a guy that I work with in Sacramento, his name is Neil Moore. And he’s the creator of the simply music, simply Music Piano method that I teach. And when he trains you as a teacher, because it’s a robust training and certification. He lets you know, look that when somebody is enrolled in learning to play the piano, you need to let them know it’s going to be a long term relationship, right? You don’t learn the piano overnight. And in any long term relationship, there are peaks, valleys and plateaus that last for short, medium and long times. And it’s always changing. So this conversation is very ingrained in me. And I’ve had it 1000s of times with families about so when their child hits a plateau or a valley they don’t go to something’s wrong. They freak out. Yeah, it’s just part of the experience. Right. So one of the things I noticed, Heather, is that, so I didn’t just have my students in my studio, there were about 500 students, we had a whole huge team of teachers, you know, ballet, everything, you name it, instruments, choir, everything. But what I noticed is that there was a whole lot of quitting going on with kids, what I would call a premature quit. And what I started to notice, well, here’s what first happened. I was looking at the students in my simply music classes going, Why do I have all these Rockstar students like they’re not just good at piano, they’re good at soccer. And they go to National History Day, and they win for the United States, right? Like they’re just, they’re just everywhere doing everything super, super well. So I noticed that. And then I noticed the other kids, the other kids in my studio, we’re okay, Mom has enrolled me in ballet. And now I’m eight weeks in and I’m quitting ballet, and I’m trying jazz, but I didn’t really like jazz. And so I’m gonna go over here and try martial arts. But actually, I think I’d like to sing in the choir. And then by the time those kids hit junior high, those ones that kept changing all the time. They don’t want to try anything. Yeah. And I’m like, What is going on here? And I recognize that parents who understood what was getting set up, didn’t let their kids quit. Now, I’m not saying they never let them quit. But I’m just saying they had a goal in mind and they waited for their child to achieve that goal and then let them change if they wanted to. But the parents who didn’t recognize what was happening and Let your child start and stop everything. What really happened there is kids, kids have no idea what’s getting set up. And they have no idea why their parents really let them quit, except that they whined and cried and complained for long enough. And then what those kids by the time they’re, you know, fourth, fifth, sixth grade, what they believe about themselves. And the story they tell if you ask them is, I’m just not really good at anything. That’s the story they tell.

Heather Pearce Campbell  20:28

Because they’ve never reached a level of confidence that just takes time to obtain. 

Robin Keehn  20:34

Yes. And so their parents thought they were doing a great thing by letting them try a bunch of stuff. But what I really believe is that a child needs to be a parent and needs to decide what’s the outcome? Is it a duration, or is it an achievement of skill, whatever, okay, we’re gonna stay long enough for them to have an outcome, so that I can say, Wow, you worked really hard for that well done. That’s what you say, You’re not like, You’re so talented. You say you worked hard. I appreciate your effort. And then that child begins to tell the story of, wow, when I work hard, I’m good at things like I actually did that I learned how to do a cartwheel, I, you know, can play 30 songs, I can, whatever. So that’s kind of where this whole thing started to take shape for me. Because I recognize patterns in parenting, like certain parents have with certain personalities, get certain outcomes with their kids. And that’s where this came from. Because I recognize that without information, we think quitting is, like, good and bad, but we just think it’s okay to let our kids quit. And we’ve given up on ourselves so many times so if that’s our background, then we’re just like, Oh, I totally get why my kid wants to quit. I wanted to quit too.

Heather Pearce Campbell  21:53

Oh, right. Well, and I was gonna say, I bet you a lot of those parents had the parenting of you didn’t have the option to quit. Right? Right. And, and so they think like, oh, well, I’m not going to do that to my kid, but what you’re talking about is really understanding a balance. So in for example, like with my kiddo, you know, and he’s, he’s got ADHD. So attending to anything is a bigger effort than a kid without ADHD, right. But we’ve tried really hard to pay attention to what he’s naturally drawn to. Because for those things, he can focus for significant amounts of time. Right? Right. But we’ve had to learn some painful lessons along the way. He wanted to try soccer. And so at three, he was a super active, you know, rambunctious little kid, we went and put him in soccer. And it was like pulling teeth. There was no way that was going anywhere at that age. And, you know, and I talked with him like Aiden, buddy, like you love soccer, I’m so confused, because he would play around our house and be like, Yeah, I want to play soccer. And then we got him there to the field with the team. And he was like, no, like, he was a pillar, he was not going to move, you could not tell him what to do, we would have had to drag that little body around the field to get him to do what was right. And he just said, Mom, I don’t like that guy telling me what to do. Right? So in my mind, I was like, Well, this is a problem. He’s not going to show up to this. And at this age, and at this stage of development, be able to do what we thought he could do, right? So but in my mind, I was kind of like, ooh, am I a failure? I’m taking my kid back out of this thing that he seemed so excited about and what we’ve had to learn over time, like versus baseball, which he also loves and has stuck with. Okay, yeah, there was one night where he said, I don’t want to go to baseball, I’m tired. And his dad had taken ice skating. And so his dad called me to say even so I’m going to baseball tonight. And we had to have a real discussion about that, because that to me, was one of the adverse things like allowing the quitting to go a little bit too far. Because Phil hadn’t talked to him about what does this mean for the coach who made this commitment and shows up to every practice? What does this mean to your teammates? Who all benefit from your skill level actually being there alongside them? What does unity mean for the future performance of your team if you don’t actually get to have too many practices as a teammate, you know, and I started having those questions with Aiden in the context of a conversation, it only took a few minutes. He’s like, Okay, I’m going, right? Right? But he made the decision. And so I think that I relate really strongly to the parents that are like, Oh, I don’t want to do what my parents did to me. So I was one of those kids too. I relate to your story of like, you’re not quitting no matter what, you know, my senior year of volleyball and I was a volleyball kid all the way through I had stress fractures that ran the length of both shins. So painful to jump and move and the doctor told me like you really shouldn’t be doing much besides walking until these heels. Yeah, I did not want to quit spring ball. This was after the primary season. But it was my body and I knew it was not a good choice to continue. And I quit spring ball because I just couldn’t. And my dad didn’t talk to me for two weeks. Oh, wow. Right. And so it was definitely one of those quitting culture type of moments where it was like, I felt like a failure, I was punished for making that decision. Looking back, like, I feel like it was totally my decision to make, but it was really hard on my parents.

Robin Keehn  25:38

Mm hmm. Very interesting. Yeah. Because there again, those expectations, right? And, you know, so I don’t want to present this as its must or have to, right. It’s, it’s being aware of the potential of having your child tell a story of I’m not very good at anything. That’s the concern I have. Because I also work with entrepreneurs who don’t get their stuff done. And the story when you dig down as well, I never get anything done. Actually, I’m not that good at anything. I’ve never, you know, I don’t I’m not the person who finishes anything, right? There’s this pattern repeats itself, it just lives on. And so at the very least, I wouldn’t really recommend her parents is that consider the age and stage of their child? Of course, if they’re old enough to have a conversation with great have a conversation if they’re not, if you know that it’s an individual thing, right. So it is fairy tale ballet for God’s sake. And they’re three years old, right? Like, nobody’s going to fall apart if they don’t come. But if you know, let’s say it’s a six week class, and you’re just like, no matter what, we’re gonna go for six weeks, and then I can say to my child, good job, you finish that class. That’s so great. I know, it was a big deal. We worked hard, didn’t wait, or you did or whatever. So and when they get older, of course, you can enroll them, but just like you did, Heather, when they want to quit, because there’s almost always a time they do that, then you can say, hey, this is a team. And, you know, you committed and we agreed, and we know it’s a season, and we’re halfway through, which is kind of a normal time where things fall apart. And we have a commitment, we made a commitment that the coach is counting on you, your teammates are counting on you, you’re a part of something bigger, and this will pass, you will feel differently in a week or two. And it’s okay not to be happy about going but we’re going and I’ve had to say that to my kids, too. You know, they’re, they’ve been on different teams and in different sports and different dance stuff. And yeah, every one of them at some point has been like no like it anymore. And I’m like, Yeah, that’s okay. I’m committed, you don’t have to be, I have to be committed on your behalf. And we’ll finish this thing. And then we will revisit it when it’s complete, and see if you’re ready to do it again, or if there’s something different, but just that completion, right?

Heather Pearce Campbell  28:15

Well, and it’s really such an important point. I think a lot of parents if they’re listening, especially if they’ve got little ones. They know the concept of specific labeled praise, right and praising the effort. Yes, not just, but how can you praise the effort, right, if you’re just allowing them to fall off all the time, or to quit or to shift? Right, there has to be that consistency? To some extent.

Robin Keehn  28:39

Yeah, yeah. Well, and then parents tell a story too, right? Then they don’t even know what to say to anybody. When they let their child quit repeatedly. Then they become I’ve noticed they become less interested in rolling their child somewhere else or in doing other things. There’s quite honestly an isolation that happens when it is for both children and for their parents, when their child has taken on this quitter mentality that is enabled by the parent. And now the parent feels like crap. Because you know, my child never finishes anything. And if they still don’t see their part in it, we can’t do anything about it. We have to acknowledge I have a part in setting this up. I have a part in how I acknowledge my child. If your child’s perfectionistic. There you have a partner and often the part is in the way you give praise, right? The part where you acknowledge their talent or natural gifts. That’s not a great thing. Right? I had a child in my Piano Studio. Thomas and all of the kids were always in groups and Thomas was just like a couple of other kids in his small group and he was about I want to say 10 or 11 and he started being really perfectionistic about Things where if he didn’t get it, right, he would have a meltdown. And I happened to read the book by Carol Dweck at that point mindset, I think that is the name of the book. And she talked about specific positive feedback. And I went, Oh, I’m guilty of saying, well, you’re just so good at that. Like, that was awesome. Like, that’s amazing. And I shifted it immediately. And I talked to his mom. And I said, Let’s do this. Let’s try acknowledging his effort and just see what happens. Two weeks, it took two weeks, and he was a whole different kid.

Heather Pearce Campbell  30:33

Isn’t that amazing? Right? Because a kid can control their effort, right? They can’t control the outcome. 

Robin Keehn  30:40

That’s right. I love that. It’s remarkable. I almost get goosebumps when I think about it. I totally know. It. Yeah, it was like a literal shift in the way he showed up. Which let me show you what I did not. I didn’t I didn’t do it right, or whatever I changed. So I think that’s really important, too. So that was kind of like, where I started with this whole thing header. But then I went to the overdoing part of it too. Like, why doesn’t anybody teach us how to quit?

Heather Pearce Campbell  31:12

Yeah, when that’s appropriate, right? When it’s the right thing to do, especially as adults, when we have autonomy, we have a lot more knowledge to work with, like, there are valid reasons why we need to stop doing something.

Robin Keehn  31:25

For sure. And so, you know, like I said earlier, we don’t really know how so it’s likely that we’ll just slip away, or we just won’t say anything, we’ll go underground. That leads to a bunch of bad stuff, too. And I think what it really requires is having bold conversations or courageous conversations, or whatever you want to call them, with yourself and with other people too.

Heather Pearce Campbell  31:51

Does this come out of a period of you feeling that sense of overdoing it like personally, or was it noticing others? Okay.

Robin Keehn  32:00

No, no, no, that was me. I mean, yeah, I see women around me all my friends, right? I’ve been watching them. We all raised kids together. And some of them are overdue errs, and some of them really aren’t. And I’ve always wondered about the ones that aren’t and like, how can we you’re so good at like, saying no and having boundaries. So but it really came out of my experience, and it came out of not so much being busy with my studio and for kids. I mean, I actually loved it. And I’ve had a few friends say to me, Robin, when is enough enough? And I’m like never, like, if I’m having fun when we’re there. Why would there ever be enough fun, like, just keep going, there are things that light me up that I absolutely love doing. And I could do them all day long. Not saying I should but I could write. But then there are these other things that just keep me busy. And also they weigh on me in a way that the good stuff doesn’t. And what I mean by that is things I’ve said yes to think it was a good intention with, you know, like, I might have said yes, because I was excited. And then I realized I’m not excited anymore. Or I said yes. Because I felt like I was somewhat obligated. And I really don’t feel like doing it. Like there are many, many reasons that we say yes. But what I realized, and this is really whether it’s an outcome from being involved in personal development, and I started I went to J for such program. I think it was five years ago, the first time a program called the gift which I highly recommend, which just opened my eyes to a bunch of stuff, I’d gone to one landmark or a couple of landmark programs before they didn’t touch me the same way. They were way more intellectualized and Jaysus sets programs now run by ran with shots, integrity seminars in Edmonton, those are much more heart centered. And somehow the information just landed in a completely different way for me, just completely different. But one of the things that really showed up for me a few years ago, maybe four or five was that when we have broken agreements with ourselves, we are out of integrity with ourselves and when we’re out of integrity, we get confused. We get scattered and our self esteem drops. And I have really spent a lot of time around that concept just for myself like what does that actually mean broken agreement with myself this all ties in so it seems like a bunny rabbit trail but I promise as so a broken agreement with myself could be as simple as I set my alarm for six o’clock this morning and I hit snooze five times. Okay, well actually didn’t keep the agreement which last night I set intention. I’m getting up at six. I got up at seven. Or it could be that simple. Or it could be: Here’s another good one. Cuz I actually went through this. I was not eating sugar or I was off of sugar. I do this all the time, but I was eight months off of sugar. And on March 12 2020, my youngest daughter and I flew to Calgary to attend the gift she was attending. And I was on the team. And in flight, I didn’t know until we landed Jay, who is running this program texted me, don’t get on the plane. Like, don’t get on the plane. We Canada just closed, right. It was day one of the pandemic. And we landed, and I read the message. And Ava was, you know, we were there for five days. We were so excited and this big thing, and I was like, Oh, crap. Okay. And so I had told Ava that we went, Well, we went to the hotel, and nobody was there. And she’s like, this is weird what’s going on? And like, oh, well, we need to go home. So that night, we couldn’t get home right away. That night, we went to some mall, and we bought fun stuff, right? And we snapped. And the next morning, I jokingly say the next morning I look over at my pillow and oh my gosh, there’s a bag of caramel m&ms happy. I’m like, oh, no, what did I do? Oh, crap. And that was an opportunity for me to practice this thing that I call for myself, letting myself off the hook.

Robin Keehn  36:21

So I just quit my eight month sugar fast. And I did it in a heated moment of upset, right? It was like, crazy, but I just quit that all of a sudden. And so I remember thinking to myself, who? Okay, hi, not even Tegrity I just broke a promise I’d made myself with very little thought. Um, I have two choices right now, I can either beat myself up about it shame myself and make myself wrong and tell myself what, uh, you know, how stupid to throw away eight months is that for, you know, a momentary pleasure. Or I could just let myself off the hook. And be nice to myself. And so that’s what I did. I looked at the bag, I sat there in bed, I think it was asleep in the under bed still. And I went, Okay, you just made a different decision. That’s interesting. Okay, well, that’s okay. You can make a new decision you’ve got you’re in charge here. And so you’re off the hook. When you’re ready to make a different decision. I know you’ll do it, I trust you to make a good decision or a different decision. A better decision when you’re ready. But for now, finish off that bag of chocolate. Caramel m&ms, like it just was let it go. Do not I do not need to beat myself up about it. But that takes some discipline, right? I mean, it’s, it’s the natural thing is to shame ourselves and criticize ourselves and make ourselves wrong.

Heather Pearce Campbell  37:49

Oh, totally. I think it like almost goes against human nature. Right? Like, that’s how kind of fish out of water it feels. And yet, the interesting thing, and I can’t remember where I read this, I remember reading that, you know, for people especially that you know, have goals or high functioning etc. When they do have a moment like this, the most important thing they can do, from an effectiveness like a personal effectiveness standpoint, is to let it go is to let themselves off the hook. The longer they spend time and beating themselves up, shaming themselves, etc. Like, the more energy focused time is all of the things right? But then it also is more likely to actually lead to additional failures, not Yeah, getting back on track.

Robin Keehn  38:38

Totally. I totally agree. Right? Because the more we live in this place, I don’t keep my agreements with myself. We’re not even talking about other people yet. I break my promises. I don’t do what I say I’m going to do that. We hear that that’s all negative self-talk. And the more we talk like that to ourselves, the more discouraged we get and depressed. And I still think this isolation thing is a big part of it too, right? We don’t even want to go out there and interact with other people because we can’t trust ourselves. I think that’s what comes out. I really can’t trust myself. I’m not sure you should either. Because I don’t I can’t even keep my own agreements with myself. How can I be in integrity with you?

Heather Pearce Campbell  39:22

Yeah, that’s a heavy one. 

Robin Keehn  39:24

It is. I think it’s a really, really big deal. I think it’s a big deal. And so, you know, now I would probably say, well, Robin, don’t commit to things you can’t be sure of. Right. It’s talked about a little while ago. Like, if you’re in limbo, then it’s better just like it is with kids. I know. We keep coming back to kids, but it’s better not to say yes or no to a child until you know for sure what you want to say. Cuz if you say no and you met yes, you’re like, and I have examples of that. Oh my god.

Heather Pearce Campbell  39:49

Or you say, uh, maybe right. Whatever. You are just gonna get pestered and pester and pester Yeah,

Robin Keehn  39:56

That urge to just say, hold on. Give me a minute, right? 

Heather Pearce Campbell  39:59

Yeah. Us totally, totally. So talk to me about what you’re doing through quitting culture. You want to share a little bit about what your focus is and how you help people. 

Robin Keehn  40:12

Yeah. So just to fast forward this to right now. So I mentioned to you, Heather, that I’ve been doing. Since last June 4, I was at the beach in Seaside, Oregon after a very full week with friends and family and clients. And I was all alone. And it’s been kind of a rocky week, like some great things and some really crappy thing. And so I was listening to a Joe Dispenza meditation. And when he said, Now imagine your future, I stopped the meditation, I stopped walking. And I said, Actually, I got to unravel this week. I do not know why I’m so like, agitated by this week. And as I was starting to kind of think through things, I heard a very clear voice. It was like the voice and it said, If you don’t bring me peace, you don’t get a place at my table. And it was not like God saying, Robin bring me peace, or you’re out. It was more like Robin, who is at your table? Yeah, and why are they there, and if they’re not bringing you peace, they really need to go. I took that seriously. And so whether I’ve spent the last 11 months and 29 days, or whatever it is purging for peace and really identifying what it is in my life that does not make a contribution. So I don’t care if it’s things like emails, like, you know, I’ve signed up for a bunch of people stuff. And I get emails all the time, right? First step I took when I got home from the beach, was to unsubscribe, and I probably unsubscribed from 40 people’s emails within about a week’s time. And then I went on to social media, and then I wanted to go on to apps. And then about a month in after doing all of that I went on to people. And so that’s when that’s one of the things we didn’t really talk about that, you know, how do you quit things accountably with people. There’s a process, there’s a very specific process that I use, which is, hey, this is what I’ve noticed. This is the impact it’s having on me. This is my partner, like I gotta tell my part as well. And this is what I’d like to do about it. And, and those are not easy conversations, and that’s a super slim little version of it. But I went on and did that with people in my life to that, you know, you can’t do that with your family. You really can’t I mean, your families, your family and whatever, and your clients or your clients for the most part. But what I really am looking at is, is this an equitable exchange? Like, is there something that you’re bringing to make a contribution? Or am I the one doing all of the giving and all of the output, which causes me stress then? So that’s what I love to help people with is getting to that point of recognizing what it is that needs to go and quitting with intention, quitting with intention, not just slipping away, not not leaving people wondering, Virginia muskies. And I’ve talked about this, and she calls those unspoken brokens, right? Oh, that’s so good. Yeah, you’ve made a promise. And now you’ve broken it. But nobody’s talking about it. Going back and cleaning that up with people like what situations from 20 years ago. And the fact is, this stuff that you haven’t completed, if you haven’t closed the loop on it, it literally lives in your mind and your brain as something that’s incomplete. And so it’ll wake you up in the middle of the night, it’ll interrupt you, and you’re out at the beach, having fun with your kids. It’ll just show up and you’re like, oh my gosh, dang, I need to take care of that. Well, let’s take care of that. Because when you’ve taken care of those things, the opportunity to live with way more freedom and way more peace and way more joy. It’s just remarkable.

Heather Pearce Campbell  44:04

Oh, huge. I think in the coaching space, I know there’s a phrase or a word called tolerations. Right? Those tolerations of I shouldn’t be doing this or I committed to doing that I didn’t like all these things that we tolerate that we’re not handling, love, you’re quitting with intention phrase. It’s like quitting with clarity, being clear about what happened, where we are, what we want to do about it. And I think to the extent that you have, you know, relatively stable, healthy people that you’re interacting with that can go fine. What do you say to the folks where there are some toxic people or toxic relationships where maybe you have the intention, and you have the clarity, but you’re not able to have the conversation?

Robin Keehn  44:48

Well, that’s where that courageous part comes up. I did have to have a couple of those conversations. I had to call a couple of people and say, Hey, we need to talk And here’s what I’m noticing. Here’s what my part in it was like, This is what I did to contribute to this thing that’s happened between us. Because I want to take ownership. And if you don’t know what that is, you need to sit with it. Because you did have a part, right? Like, you. Things don’t just happen because of one person. And so I had to really dig in and go, Oh, I see, I enabled this piece by not saying that when I could have said that, and it didn’t say it, I allowed this next piece to happen with you. And this literally happened. It happened at Seaside with a friend. Yeah. And so I gave myself a whole month to work it through. I didn’t talk to my friend for a whole month. And then when I did, I was like, here’s what happened. This is my experience of what happened. Here’s my part in it. I didn’t say this. I didn’t make that clear. I didn’t. I didn’t require clarity from you. And, and so the impact it’s had on me as I, I realized now that I require certain things from our friendship. And these are the things I require. I require respect, inclusion, appreciation, acknowledgement, and gratitude. I think those were the ones. And I said, and it’s no problem. If you don’t want to offer those to me, there’s totally no problem. I just will no longer be able to be in a friendship with you. It’s like is, is this the end and I said, totally your call, like if you want to provide those in our friendship, that’s great. We can continue. But if you don’t want to know we can’t continue. And it’s no problem at all. I meant it. And my friend was like, Oh, this could be goodbye. And I was like, Yeah, could it totally could be good that I’m good. I’m okay with it being goodbye. Right, like, so that requires some real thoughtfulness and some real commitment to resetting the boundaries or establishing the boundaries or reinstating the boundaries. And my friend has been an awesome friend ever since then, everything has changed. And it’s I’m not saying it’s easy, but I am saying that if your commitment is really to purge, and only have people around you that bring you peace and a contribution in some way, there’s some kind of equitable exchange, then the requirement for me is that I get on the phone or I get in person and say, This is what I need, because the worst thing that can happen is they they’re like, Yeah, I don’t want to provide that. And then you’re like, Okay, well, I gave you the out. And I’m if I’m being true to myself, I’m not giving myself an out. I’m serious, like, goodbye, right? I’ve had a couple of those. I’ve had four or five of those. And I’m like, That’s okay. And some people are gone. And that’s okay. Because I am way more peaceful, way less stress. Ah, it’s very nice.

Heather Pearce Campbell  47:56

Yes. Well, and I think for anybody who’s gone through some version of that experience, it’s, I feel like a lot of the painful parts come before that point of clarity. Right? It’s like, building up to the clarity Once you’re clear. Yes, right. Yes, you might have to have the courage to then go have what could be a challenging conversation. But that clarity guides it and makes it so much easier to have that conversation. And I think so many people stay in the portion or the space of not having clarity.

Robin Keehn  48:29

Back to that Limbo thing, right? Heather, like 99% committed, is much more difficult than 100%. And when you’re in that limbo, you’re not sure you should or you shouldn’t. That is a really rough time, I don’t think you should have a conversation until you’ve hit the moment of like, oh, I can see, this is not good. For me. This is not good for me. And to continue is not to be good to myself.

Heather Pearce Campbell  48:53

Yeah. And often, it’s truly not good for both people. Because, right, one of the other things and you know, having done some work around boundaries and read a bunch of boundaries, the thing that you find is that the kindest people have the clearest boundaries, like it actually is an act of kindness, to set your your boundaries with clarity, because then people on the other side are not wandering around in the dark, wondering why things feel off as well or whatever, right? If they’re the ones violating the boundary, that’s the irony.

Robin Keehn  49:29

Yeah, but I agree. I think, you know, at our studio, we had very clear boundaries. We had very clear policies. We even had the hardest ones or ones that were people didn’t want to believe we had printed and displayed in a frame 100 wall. So if they’re like, Oh, you never told me that we’re like, it’s right there. Right. And it made it easier for everybody because nobody was pushing. Yes. And I think when you don’t have clear boundaries, people just keep pushing and it’s an effort forever. Anybody. It’s an effort for somebody to push in. It’s an effort to resist.

Heather Pearce Campbell  50:03

Yes. Right? Well, it goes back to, like, even my sister’s example that I raised at the beginning, just because she’s in the middle of it right now. Right? They were not aware she had a boundary. So they were overstepping it. Now, she’s had to say like, that was a boundary, and there still taking quite a bit of time to understand that. And yeah, and it’s so necessary for us for our growth, for our businesses for our individual happiness. Right?

Robin Keehn  50:31

Well, it’s interesting what you just said about your sister. What popped in my head was that constant pushing like, at some point, you just, you just have to have such a clear, like, no, and no further discussion. So I’m thinking about friends, right? Even friends who are like, Oh, sure. I can’t just like, Could I just, and you finally just have to be like, I know, this just sounds like I’m like, really rigid, but it’s a no, like, it’s a no, because that constant pushing like, at some point, people just need to get that when I say no, I actually mean no. And actually, you don’t want me to go into full throttle? No, because I don’t worry nice with that. Like, I’ve only done that a few times. But I’ve heard a couple of times where I’m like, You need to stop, right? Yeah. I don’t want to be like that. So maybe there’s a way again, I think it’s comes back to the way we’ve trained people to treat us, I think it comes back to that. Because if they feel like they can push and children are the same way. They’ll just push and push and push and push and push because they’ve pushed you over once they think they can again. And so they just ramped it up. Right? So getting really strong and really clear. And it’s that 100% committed, I’m 100% committed to this boundary, like you couldn’t pay me to change this boundary. It’s a no.

Heather Pearce Campbell  51:49

Right. Well, and the thing that I find fascinating is having walked my clients through many experiences where they’ve gone through something painful in order to arrive at the boundary. Is that looking backwards? They end up having so much gratitude for that lesson. And for that event, like even though it was painful in the moment, it’s like, you know what, that’s actually what it required for me to develop this boundary and to now have this boundary be so clear.

Robin Keehn  52:17

Yeah. And I think it’s funny. It’s like, the older we get, the more experience we have, the more sure we are about our boundaries. I was just talking to a girlfriend of mine. And she’s like, You sound really wise, I think you’re getting older. And I was like, I am getting older. Thank you. I’ve heard this wisdom. 

Heather Pearce Campbell  52:32

I love it. You sound really wise. Oh my gosh, it was funny. Yes, it’s true. And it often comes through those experiences.

Robin Keehn  52:41

Yeah, multiple experiences to finally just go, You know what, and I think that’s what happened with my purse for peace. I’d been doing a lot of work with Suzette Fora. She’s a coach. And she and I are actually starting a project together now called our Table of Joy. And it’s really meant to support people in letting go and getting clear and experiencing more joy. But because I did a lot of work with her, I was able to go through this purge with very clear boundaries and really be able to assess like, what am I looking for? What do I ask myself that all the time rather than what do you want? I’ll wake up in the morning be like, What do you want? Like not food? Not that you want today? What do you want? And I think it’s awesome. We don’t really know. I think we know what we want. And so we don’t really have boundaries, and we don’t, we haven’t really defined what we want and what we don’t want. And so it’s very easy to say yes, it’s very easy to be pushed in a direction. And I think when you work to establish what you really want, like, like I told my friend, this is what I need in a friendship. Right? I gave my friend the list, like this is what I need. And as and because I did that a year ago, or I guess it was July last year, as new people come into my life, I look at them, and I go hmm, these are the things I need. Are you providing those? I don’t say it to them, but I asked myself, is this person providing this? Is this person offering this? And I also look at okay, if this person is stressing me out? What about that? Is it? Is it something that can be discussed and shifted? Is it worth it? And if it’s not, it’s a no thank you. You’ve probably heard this before but my friend Neil, more than I’ve referred to earlier, I used to work for him in Sacramento. I fly down there a couple times a month. And he said one morning we were sitting in his office chatting, working on some projects. He said something about opportunities and he said Robin there will always be endless opportunities. wisdom is knowing which ones are for you. And it was just a moment for me. I’ve never forgotten that moment because it’s so true. And as we have all these things that present themselves in our lives So if we are clear about being able to evaluate them as a yes or no, yes, we say no, we really mean no, no thank you. And let it go. And just stick with the ones that light us up, meaning Tabby brings us joy. 

Heather Pearce Campbell  55:16

Right? Well, it was a great example. You walk us through your criteria of like, now on the front end, you’re looking for those things. And if it can’t be shifted, if it can’t be fixed, it’s a no thank you. And right, I like having that clarity. I think we’ll just save people so much time and energy and effort trying to manage a scenario that just was not for them.

Robin Keehn  55:38

Ah, yeah, even if it’s shiny, and it’s wrapped in a perfect package, and it looks really good. And all your friends are like, oh, you should go for that. And you’re like, actually, no, you’re not mine. You’re not for me.

Heather Pearce Campbell  55:51

That’s right, the shiny package thing, this point is particularly relevant. I think, in the business space where people see an opportunity, like a publisher reaches out or, you know, something big on their radar happens. And like, for me, it’s like, somebody will cross my path that looks like an ideal client. And then when we start to get into either discussions or some initial consultation, if they take a really long time to get back to me, it’s a no. Right? Because there’s just not enough forward momentum.

Robin Keehn  56:26

Right, I think this is a great vetting tool for business opportunities to write, because they just come in all the time, clients or opportunities with other entrepreneurs, business owners, and it’s, it can look so good and, and people, other people are like, What are you thinking? You should be. So it’s true in business relationships, as well. Being able to use these tools to evaluate if somebody is actually a good partner, one of the things I’m guilty of, and I am not so much anymore, I’m way better, but not asking enough questions, looking at the outside wrapper and thinking I knew, and then not acknowledging red flags, not not being willing to have the conversation or having it but not getting real answers. And I think it’s really important that number one, we know who we want, we have a list of what we’re looking for in a client or a business partner or JV partner. And then we test. We just do little tests to see if this is really going the way we want it to. And again, like I said, with, you know, people coming in, and you’re like, okay, everything checks off, except you’ve got this little thing, this little thing, can we address these things? Or do I need to let this go? It’s no different. I think in business, it’s really on us to do a great evaluation, if that person is somebody who really brings equity and partnership that we’re looking for, with the qualities we want, so that it’s joyful, and peaceful and not crazy making. 

Heather Pearce Campbell  58:08

Yes. Well, in hindsight is such a blessing when we began to develop those criteria, right, even in a friendship, like business for sure it’s important, and matching up with the right clients and the right JV support or whatever else you’re doing. But even in friendships, recognizing like, oh, I ignored this before with this particular person, and it really didn’t go well. And paying close attention to that. I think the power of observation and taking the time that is required to get to that point of clarity, really is just about time and attention, right. 

Robin Keehn  58:45

Oh, you are so right about that. So one of the things I’ve said to some people about this purge for peace is if you can see the end of my deck I live on like the top of a beautiful barn, right, a mother in law union, and I have a patio or a deck. And it’s really lovely. And it’s actually quite large. I think that’s 24 vegetables and plants out there right now. So it’s large enough for that. But last year, before I started going through my own process on this, I would say I could maybe get out on the deck, but I couldn’t go any further than the deck. Like if things were just pressing, I had so much I’d gone through a big launch. I just had pressure, pressure, pressure. Well, when I started doing this courage for peace, I got to the end of the deck and then I opened up to the next field and then there’s like another 15 acres. And then there are the mountains and I actually have the whole runway now. I have the whole runway, which means when something comes in, it’s not so pressed upon me that I feel like I must react. I can sit with things for quite a while. Maybe good or bad, but I’ve got time. I don’t feel the pressure now to respond quickly to anybody. And not not saying I’m too Trying to hold people off. But if I don’t have clarity, I’m not going to give an answer. We talked about this a few minutes ago, I’m just not going to answer. I’ll say, thanks. Let me think about it. But that there is just, I don’t know why we react like that, Heather, why when there’s when we have so much going on? We feel like we need to give a quick answer when actually we don’t. It’s within our sovereignty, as people as a person to be able to say, I don’t actually owe you an answer. You just made me an invitation or whatever I get to choose, I get to think about it. And I’ve had some people this year have pressured me, they’re like, Hey, where’d you go? And like, Oh, what do you know, blah, blah, blah. And I’m just like, Give me a minute. I literally had to say to people, you just need to give me a little give me some time. Like, I’m not interested. I’ve had people send me stuff. And they’re like, What do you think? And I’m like, I’m actually not engaging with that right now. Like, I’m not going to engage with that content, whatever articles, whatever doesn’t matter. I just tell them because they’re like, What did you think and I’m like, I’m not reading that right now. Because it’s actually not making a contribution to my frame of mind, it’s actually taking me out of a good space. And you’re asking me to walk into something that I don’t want to walk into. So I’m actually not going to, but having the ability to do that, you have to have some space, you have to have cleared some space, so that you can say that comfortably and confidently.

Heather Pearce Campbell  1:01:29

So good that that I mean, that point is so important. Because I think especially in the digital age, we have shifted to this era of responding rather than control rather than deciding what is my system. What is my time frame? Works for me, just because you get an email right now doesn’t need to mean you need to respond right now. But so many people feel that they feel like oh, I just should respond. And then your training people should expect an immediate response. And maybe that’s not how you should be training people.

Robin Keehn  1:02:03

I figured that one out about 10 years ago, I was working on a large music project. And I had someone in Australia that I was working with. And one night, she called me at 1115. And I’m serious. I was in bed, I had my lotion on my face, like the typical thing, right? Like you’re in bed, you’re in bed, you’re ready for sleep. And my husband said, are you actually going to get that? And I said there must be something going on? Because she knows it’s you know, after 11, I answered, we talked. And he was just like Robin seriously, like, people do not need to have access to you 24/7. And you’ve just shown her that you are available. That was a big moment for me. And I was like, Oh, I see what I’m doing. And that was the beginning of shifting that whole piece Heather around. Actually, I’m only available Monday through Friday, from eight to five. I’m not available in the evenings. I’m not available on the weekends. Some people don’t get that. But that’s my life. I get to choose, nobody else can impose it on me. It’s really what I’ll tolerate. I don’t want to tolerate that. 

Heather Pearce Campbell  1:03:09

Right. Right. Oh, such good reminders for us around what is it in our life that we’re doing, just because we’ve been trained to do it that way, or we think it’s how it should be done. And we really need to shift that because everything from maybe our email habits, our communication habits, our patterns with our clients, like so many areas that we can look and apply this. So, so many and I’m sure that people are listening are like, Oh my gosh, I need to find out more about Robin, I need to connect with her and learn about Quitting Culture and Purge for Peace and everything you have going on. Where are you online? And where do you like for people to connect with you?

Robin Keehn  1:03:53

Well, I mentioned earlier that Suzette and I are starting a brand new community. It’ll be launching in June. So it might already be up by the time you listen, I’ve called our table of joy. And that’s where you can find us at ourtableofjoy.com. We’re inside of mighty networks. We’re not on Facebook with this project. And so that’s a great place to find me. I am on Facebook, I’ll probably always be on Facebook in some capacity. So you can find me Robin Quinn Keehn. You can also find me in my group over Dewar’s Anonymous on Facebook. Of course, I’m on LinkedIn and all of the places but only the best place to connect with me, um, is probably just emailing me or find me on Facebook. Yeah. quittingculture.com. Yeah. All right.

Heather Pearce Campbell  1:04:39

Perfect. Well, we’ll share your email, we’ll share your links. We’ll share your new group for sure because I think this probably will go live after that point. And you can find those links and more at legalwebsitewarrior.com/podcast where you’ll find the show notes page for Robin.

Robin Keehn  1:04:56

Hi there. I have one more thing really quickly and I’m happy to offer anybody something I developed three years ago. That was kind of the first step towards this, I didn’t realize that this is going to develop from there. But it’s called the Klepto Code, six steps to stop stealing from yourself. And it’s a course that it’s not very long. But I’ll provide the link to that too, because it is, in about two hours time, you’ll go through a level of this and just get some clarity on what you need to quit and how to do it.

Heather Pearce Campbell  1:05:26

Oh, I love that. That sounds like a phenomenal resource. So folks, if you’re listening, you go right now and grab the Klepto Code, how to stop stealing from yourself. I love that. Robin, that’s so generous. Thank you so much for coming today. I’ve so looked forward to this conversation. And I knew it would be filled with tons of insights and on a really important topic. I mean, I think a lot of people live in a continual state of overwhelm. And we need tools like this to help us stop that. What final piece of advice do you have for our listeners?

Robin Keehn  1:06:00

I think the final piece of advice is that it’s actually your life. And you get to decide how this goes.

Heather Pearce Campbell  1:06:09

I love that such a powerful but simple reminder. Robin, thank you. I so appreciate you. I’m so grateful to know you and I look forward to learning more about your new project really soon.

Robin Keehn  1:06:20

Thank you. Heather. I spent a lot of fun. Oh, it was great to have a conversation with you.

Heather Pearce Campbell  1:06:24

Thank you.

GGGB Outro  1:06:28

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